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P***@gmail.com
2006-12-27 06:38:35 UTC
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I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Weatherlawyer
2006-12-27 06:42:07 UTC
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Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Yes.
Bob Officer
2006-12-27 07:05:09 UTC
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On 26 Dec 2006 22:38:35 -0800, in sci.geo.earthquakes,
Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
I dropped a penny at the exact time of the quake also, could there be
a connection?
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2006-12-27 08:09:53 UTC
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Clearly the planet is cracking in half.
Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Andreaj
2006-12-27 21:40:27 UTC
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Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Sorry, but the "exact opposite side of the globe" (the antipode) of
Taiwan is in South America.
P***@gmail.com
2006-12-27 22:44:28 UTC
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Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Sorry, but the "exact opposite side of the globe" (the antipode) of
Taiwan is in South America.
Yes, well, I'll retire from this discussion. I was wrong - unless
there's a sneaky wave around the core that reflects on the Scotch - or
something.
George
2006-12-28 00:14:05 UTC
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Post by P***@gmail.com
Post by Andreaj
Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Sorry, but the "exact opposite side of the globe" (the antipode) of
Taiwan is in South America.
Yes, well, I'll retire from this discussion. I was wrong - unless
there's a sneaky wave around the core that reflects on the Scotch - or
something.
Wise decision. However, you are most certainly welcome to come back for
other discussions. We all have bad days.

George
Weatherlawyer
2006-12-28 08:31:00 UTC
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Post by P***@gmail.com
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Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Sorry, but the "exact opposite side of the globe" (the antipode) of
Taiwan is in South America.
Yes, well, I'll retire from this discussion. I was wrong - unless
there's a sneaky wave around the core that reflects on the Scotch - or
something.
Don't be put off by the fact most of the negative vibrators on here
can't understand the term "possibly", they are stuck in a self abusive
frame of mind that no amount of head slapping will release them from.

Consider the following:

"Waterhouse frowns at the coffee mug. "Well, it's all math," he says.
"If the math works, why then you should be sure of yourself. That's
the whole point of math."

"So you have a mathematical basis for making this assertion?"

"Assertions," Waterhouse says. "Assertion number one is that Pufferfish
and Azure are different names for the same cryptosystem. Assertion
number two is that Pufferfish/Azure is a cousin of Arethusa. Three: all
of these cryptosystems are related to gold. Four: mining. Five:
Philippines."

"Maybe you could just chalk those up on the blackboard as you go
along," Comstock says edgily.

"Glad to," Waterhouse says. He stands up and turns toward the
blackboard, freezes for a couple of seconds, then turns back around,
lunges for the coffee mug, and drains it before Comstock or any of his
aides can rip it from his grasp. Tactical error! Then Waterhouse chalks
up his assertions. The photographer records it. The privates massage
their chamois cloths and glance nervously in Comstock's direction.

"Now, you have some sort of, er, mathematical proof for each one of
these assertions?" Comstock asks. Math isn't his bag, but running
meetings is, and what Waterhouse has just chalked up on that board
looks, to him, like the rudiments of an agenda. And Comstock feels a
lot better when he has an agenda. Without an agenda, he's like a
grunt running around in the jungle without a map or a weapon.

"Well, sir, that's one way to look at it," Waterhouse says after some
thought. "But it is much more elegant to view all of these as
corollaries stemming from the same underlying theorem."

"Are you telling me that you have succeeded in breaking Azure? Because
if so, congratulations are in order!" Comstock says.

"No. It is still unbroken. But I can extract information from it."

This is the moment where the joystick snaps off in Comstock's hand.
Still, he can pound haplessly on the control panel. "Well, would you
mind taking them one at a time, at least?"

"Well, let's just take, for example, Assertion Four, which is that
Azure/Pufferfish has something to do with mining." Waterhouse sketches
out a freehand map of the Southwest Pacific theater of operations, from
Burma to the Solomons, from Nippon to New Zealand. It takes him about
sixty seconds. Just for grins, Comstock pulls a printed map out of his
clipboard and compares it against Waterhouse's version. They are
basically identical."

The above is an extract from a book about or I think is about the early
stages of the development of computers. I haven't read it yet. I say
"yet" as if to indicate I may well do so.

The point being that if the maths works, the nitwits on here will be
the last to know about it even though they might be among the first
informed.
Weatherlawyer
2006-12-28 08:44:30 UTC
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The above was an extract from a book about the early stages of the development of
blah blah blah..
""It's just a brute force statistics problem," Waterhouse says.
"Suppose that Tokyo sent the Azure message to Rabaul on October 15th,
1943.

Now, suppose I take all of the messages that were sent out from Rabaul
on October 14th and I index them in various ways: what destinations
they were transmitted to, how long they were, and, if we were able to
decrypt them, what their subject matter was.

Were they orders for troop movements? Supply shipments? Changes in
tactics or procedures?

Then, I take all of the messages that were sent out from Rabaul on
October 16th-the day after the Azure message came in from Tokyo-and
I run exactly the same statistical analysis on them."

Waterhouse steps back from the chalkboard and turns into a blinding
fusillade of strobe lights. "You see, it is all about information flow.
Information flows from Tokyo to Rabaul.

We don't know what the information was. But it will, in some way,
influence what Rabaul does afterwards. Rabaul is changed, irrevocably,
by the arrival of that information, and by comparing Rabaul's
observed behavior before and after that change, we can make
inferences."

"Such as?" Comstock says warily.

Waterhouse shrugs. "The differences are very slight. They hardly stand
out from the noise.

Over the course of the war, thirty-one Azure messages have gone out
from Tokyo, so I have that many data sets to work with. Any one data
set by itself might not tell me anything. But when I combine all of the
data sets together-giving me greater depth-then I can see some
patterns.

And one of the patterns that I most definitely see is that, on the day
after an Azure message went out to, say, Rabaul, Rabaul was much more
likely to transmit messages having to do with mining engineers. This
has ramifications that can be traced all the way back until the loop is
closed."

"Okay. Let's take it from the top. Azure message goes from Tokyo to
Rabaul," Waterhouse says, drawing a heavy line down the chalkboard
joining those two cities.

"The next day, a message in some other crypto system-one that we have
broken-goes from Rabaul to a submarine operating out of a base here,
in the Moluccas.

The message states that the submarine is to proceed to an outpost on
the north coast of New Guinea and pick up four passengers, who are
identified by name. From our archives, we know who these men are: three
aircraft mechanics and one mining engineer.

A few days later, the submarine transmits from the Bismarck Sea stating
that it has picked those men up. A few days after that, our waterfront
spies in Manila inform us that the same submarine has showed up there.

On the same day, another Azure message is transmitted from Manila back
up to Tokyo," Waterhouse concludes, adding a final line to the polygon,
"closing the loop."

"But that could all be a series of random, unconnected events," says
one of Comstock's math whizzes, before Comstock can say it. "The Nips
are desperate for aircraft mechanics. There's nothing unusual about
this kind of message traffic."

"But there is something unusual about the patterns," Waterhouse says.
"If, a few months later, another submarine is sent, in the same way, to
pick up some mining engineers and some surveyors who have been trapped
in Rabaul, and, upon its arrival in Manila, another Azure message is
sent from Manila up to Tokyo, it begins to look very suspicious.""

And now to the moral of the story:

There is a connection in the way that the weather has behaved over the
last day or two that contradicts what it should have been doing.
Perhaps someone with insight greater than mine can develop it further.
It won't be anyone from here of course so I am not asking; just
postulating.
Weatherlawyer
2006-12-28 09:06:05 UTC
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Post by Weatherlawyer
There is a connection in the way that the weather has behaved over the
last day or two that contradicts what it should have been doing.
Perhaps someone with insight greater than mine can develop it further.
It won't be anyone from here of course so I am not asking; just
postulating.
Having the code for the usual run of events in the North Atlantic when
the oscillation is positive (IE normal) the weather should have been
anticyclonic to a certain extent over the UK.

(The UK is very much the centre of the world when it comes to
geophysics at the moment as it portrays what is happening elsewhere
almost everywhere else on a potable scale.

Whether or not one wishes to sample the water is another thing
entirely.)

As it happens the anticyclone did extend down to the longitude of
Portugal before fracturing or at least being held off by the storm gods
in the North Atlantic:

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Presuming the charts to be right this gives us the fact that there is
or should be a major tropical storm. However there is none extant as
far as I know ATM. There has been a major upheaval though.

You can usually schedule them to coincide with the break of a long
spell of similar weather in the UK. But usually when they occur, the
people who write the charts tend to be in error or at least a tad
uncertain.

This is because in the normal run of events they can allow for tropical
storms in their models but fail to allow for earthquake activity.

Well that's about as far as I have got with the problem. A lot of it
old hat by now as far as I am concerned. But one interesting pointer
may yield more fruit.

In the winter the storm fronts or cyclones seem to have the ascendancy.
Of course if you believe that the reason for this is that anticyclonic
weather is due to heat from the sun, you will not pause to consider
that this anticyclonic activity is usually the colder of the two
weather types and predominates in Arctic and anarctic circles.

And miss the point entirely that whilst not adhering to latitude
followed longitude as far as Europe would allow.

Which highlights the question:

Why does Anticyclonic weather cleave to the land and cyclonic to the
sea?
Weatherlawyer
2006-12-28 09:20:00 UTC
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Post by Weatherlawyer
Having the code for the usual run of events in the North Atlantic when
the oscillation is positive (IE normal) the weather should have been
anticyclonic to a certain extent over the UK.
As it happens the anticyclone did extend down to the longitude of
Portugal before fracturing or at least being held off by the storm gods
http://www.westwind.ch/?link=ukmb,http://www2.wetter3.de/Fax/,.gif,bracknell+00,bracknell+24,bracknell+36,bracknell+48,bracknell+60,bracknell+72,bracknell+84,bracknell+96,bracknell+108,bracknell+120,bracknell+132
Presuming the charts to be right this gives us the fact that there is
or should be a major tropical storm. However there is none extant as
far as I know ATM. There has been a major upheaval though.
You can usually schedule them to coincide with the break of a long
spell of similar weather in the UK. But usually when they occur, the
people who write the charts tend to be in error or at least a tad
uncertain.
This is because in the normal run of events they can allow for tropical
storms in their models but fail to allow for earthquake activity.
Never mind the rest of it for now. I still haven't answered the OP of
course but something else has occurred to me. When the N Atlantic is in
a negative phase there is a lot more volcanic activity than usual.

And this is what I forgot to allow for. Partly because there is
precious little coverage for that and what there is is only posted late
on Wednesday of each week.

<Wonders off to view news of volcanic eruptions and for any mining
disasters to go with the air crashes......>
Hatunen
2006-12-28 17:43:58 UTC
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Post by Andreaj
Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Sorry, but the "exact opposite side of the globe" (the antipode) of
Taiwan is in South America.
Yes, well, I'll retire from this discussion. I was wrong - unless
there's a sneaky wave around the core that reflects on the Scotch - or
something.
Get enough Scotch and everything starts to wave.
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rick++
2006-12-28 19:56:33 UTC
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Post by Andreaj
Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Sorry, but the "exact opposite side of the globe" (the antipode) of
Taiwan is in South America.
The two quakes were one the same globe too. Wow!
George
2006-12-29 21:28:02 UTC
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Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Sorry, but the "exact opposite side of the globe" (the antipode) of
Taiwan is in South America.
The two quakes were one the same globe too. Wow!
And both in the northern hemisphere. A new precident!

George

Wally Anglesea™
2006-12-28 07:32:29 UTC
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Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Wee, they are both on the same planet.


Apart from that, there are earthquakes every day.
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Hatunen
2006-12-28 17:43:28 UTC
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Post by P***@gmail.com
I see that there were earthquakes in Taiwan and Scotland yesterday.
They're pretty well exactly opposite each other on the globe - could
there possibly be any connection?
Eh?

Taiwan is at about 121 degrees east, Scotland is at about zero
degrees. That means the antipode of Scotland is about 60 degrees
longitude further east than Taiwan, or about 1/6 of the world's
circumferance. Not even close. Not to mention that they're both
north of the equator, and antipodes must be on the other side of
the equator.
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